Originally Posted by Winterclaw

How about a fruit wielding lunatic.

Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

Instead of stating the obvious, how about trying to support ideas which already are very original and unique. I have made several of them, and the first thing I get is a bunch of prejudice remarks and ignorant claims from a bunch of lazy people, than those same people go to a berserker thread and say, yeah, I think this is alright.

As you said, your ideas are an example of unoriginality, so, there is the matter of that beam.

Simple weapon types which are not in the game, and are rather original. A Swallow type weapon (Crono Cross) is rather unique and interesting, Whips are rarely used in games and have a very unique attack style. Throwing Projectiles which move in a oval return path would make a very original weapon and attack type. We are still short a set of claws, although the typical brawler with claws is a pitifull concept.

Along the idea of whips, there is also Chains. An actual Bo Staff weapon used to melee and not as a 2 handed wand would be interesting, and that can actually go along with the swallow type weapon, using several variations of staff oriented weapons outside of spears and scythes.

Then there are original types of the same weapon. The throwing spears we have are hardly simular to pikes and lances, but are basicly javalins, and since spears are actually more common than swords on the battlefield, a Spear/Halbred or Lance class would be rather appropriate. Lances would be especially good if we had a mount riding class. There are many fencing swords of more elegant nature which are unique, from Katana and other Tachi, to Rapiers and Foils. And although it would probably offer nothing new, a Crossbow is very different than a bow, and is a reasonable weapon.

There are also more unconventional weapons, like slingshots, my favorite was a bomb slinging class I heard from someone else. Also, non-physical weapons made of energy or magic, like fire orbs or essences for Elementist, which take on a form simular to Elementist Factions headgear, taking the form of animated flames or other elementist swirling around their hands. I had an idea for a type of magical Claw weapon which levitates around the fingers, made out of magical or elemental energy (Stalker idea).

There is also unarmed, which actually means something like gloves :P, using your hands basicly. Although IMO, going into combat without a weapon is silly, even a martial artist would bring a weapon no matter how good he was with his hands. And wile I think something like an unarmed Melee spell attacking class would be cool, something like a swallow weapon would probably be even better for such a persona.

Personally, I don't see a problem with making something that is already known, truthfully, the popular archtypes are going to attract more people than some "Fruit Wielding Lunatic", lol. The key is to make an original gameplay type and set of abilities which make it unique from simular identities in other games, as well as professions in this game. As long as your not trying to rip off a very original and certainly copywritten idea from Final Fantasy, you can't get anymore obvious.

But don't be surprised if you meet ten times more opposition making unique concepts or ability, because people will oppose what they don't understand, whether it is your error, or their misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

I wasn't talking about new races to use the same profession type classes, if you read my creature class concept you will understand. Although I will say that armor alterations would be the best way to distinguish new races from humans. Since changing up all the skills for each race would be a circus, and creating new professions to mirror every class for every race would be ridiculous, making slightly different armors would probably be the best option.

In actuallity, other races function exactly the same way humans do, they just look different. Going through the trouble of making them different then trying to balance them for dozens of races and at least 6 classes is a serious waste of effort. It would be better if they just spent more effort making as many races as possible available, and a full diversity of armors and visual customization. Leave the unique features to something simple, like race specific inscriptions, or race specific runes. Having unique features may seem fun, but in actuallity, it removes the value of all other options by exaulting one particular combinations as the best in certain classes, which creates a pool of unapprciated race/class combinations which get shortchanged. It is bad enough that certain class combinations or even entire classes get shafted because of their lack of efficiency (namely Assassin, and nearly Elementist), adding race specifications to the mix only makes a bad stew even worse.

As for the Cyfilist idea, I have to say it is the most original skill work I have seen in a wile, and it was at least worth reading, but as I just mentioned, Identity is a neccessity. Without identity you just have some new skills for exsisting classes. I already mentioned this in your thread, but basicly the sum of useful skill ideas can fit into one attribute, and need to be part of a more diverse skill selection on a significant identity.